It's all about Vancouver/Whistler

[Trip]

I'm sure if they put their minds too it, engineers could find something else to use as reinforcement for concrete structures.

[RickW]

Originally posted by OPINIONATED
Those concrete buildings you're talking about still need steel rebar.

Which is mined from the ground.

So what does that leave us to build with, that people could afford - mud huts ?

Also comes from the earth.

Composites, laminates, etc:

( http://www.ratical.org/renewables/plywood.html )

"C&S SPECIALTY BUILDER'S SUPPLY INC. of Harrisburg, Oregon, leads the field in the development of hemp building materials. Their first offering is hemp MDF (medium density fiber) composite boards. The hemp boards tested by Washington State University Wood Materials and Engineering Laboratory proved to be two and one half times stronger than wood MDF composites, plus hemp composite boards have three times more elasticity than wood composite boards. Elasticity is the factor that determines whether or not a nail can be driven into the board. Another advantage is that water won't penetrate the hemp boards. "

[Trip]

Originally posted by RickW
Composites, laminates, etc:

( http://www.ratical.org/renewables/plywood.html )

"C&S SPECIALTY BUILDER'S SUPPLY INC. of Harrisburg, Oregon, leads the field in the development of hemp building materials. Their first offering is hemp MDF (medium density fiber) composite boards. The hemp boards tested by Washington State University Wood Materials and Engineering Laboratory proved to be two and one half times stronger than wood MDF composites, plus hemp composite boards have three times more elasticity than wood composite boards. Elasticity is the factor that determines whether or not a nail can be driven into the board. Another advantage is that water won't penetrate the hemp boards. "

elasticity also means that the board is unlikely to break under great stresses...like earthquakes.

[RickW]

Originally posted by Trip
elasticity also means that the board is unlikely to break under great stresses...like earthquakes.

So, do you suppose the NDP (as it seems to be climbing to the stars in the polls) will actually go ahead and start putting their envirnomental "money where theri mouth is"? And start implementing alternative, envrionmental stuff?

[Trip]

Originally posted by RickW
So, do you suppose the NDP (as it seems to be climbing to the stars in the polls) will actually go ahead and start putting their envirnomental "money where theri mouth is"? And start implementing alternative, envrionmental stuff?

No. I think the NDP will keep spouting platitudes to attract people, but once in power, will go back to giving their union boss buddies the money, power, and positions that the libs are giving their buddies.

[OPINIONATED]

Originally posted by RickW
Composites, laminates, etc:

( http://www.ratical.org/renewables/plywood.html )

See your link is TEN years old - is anyone actually growing or manufacturing from it, meaning Hemp ?

See Sammy didn't get far with you either on those links on Hemp.

Years down the road IMO -

Meanwhile B.C. is waiting with the highest Un-employment rate in years - for 2010 Olympics & Liberals to provide some stimulus to Ecomony.

As Greens consider shutting everything down, while enabling the Liberals.

[RickW]

Originally posted by OPINIONATED
See your link is TEN years old - is anyone actually growing or manufacturing from it, meaning Hemp ?

Meanwhile B.C. is waiting with the highest Un-employment rate in years

And this needn't be, with alternate products out there, waiting to be used. But there are those who literally cannot see the forest for the trees. The "war" against the prohibition of hemp has been going on for 60 years now. What's a mere ten?

If you want high employment in the woods, Opie (and I thnk I said this before), throw away the chainsaws and go back to hand cutting. Or do you just want to clearcut the whole province? What are your proposals (that make some kind of sense, any kind of sense)?

Greens back to 12%!

[RickW]

Originally posted by RickW


At the risk of repeating myself, I don't believe you actually answered this one I posted, Opie:

Tut, tut, Opie! The senario for "one horse" towns was set by much earlier governments, which relied on natural resources to fuel an economy. Alberni once boasted the highest wages in North America. But because those making these wages thought it would last forever, they went broke when things fell apart, because they didn't invest their humongous salaries. So who's fault is it exactly?

[JenniferR]

Originally posted by Trip
No. I think the NDP will keep spouting platitudes to attract people, but once in power, will go back to giving their union boss buddies the money, power, and positions that the libs are giving their buddies.

By the sound of it you are anti-union. I just want a party in power that will give the middle class workers a fair shake, and it does not sound like the Greens would if you are a representative of the party.

Keep it up Trip! Your NDP bashing and little else is great for turning off anyone who may be considering Green.

[Trip]

Originally posted by JenniferR
By the sound of it you are anti-union. I just want a party in power that will give the middle class workers a fair shake, and it does not sound like the Greens would if you are a representative of the party.

Keep it up Trip! Your NDP bashing and little else is great for turning off anyone who may be considering Green.

I like how you ignore the fact that I said the Liberals are doing the same damn thing.

The Libs help out their big business buddies, and the NDP help out their Big Labour buddies.

Neither one cares about the middle class at all, only what they can do to increase their power over society.

I am anti-everything that gives power to a select classs, whether that class be big union or big business.

You might want to read with a bit less bias, and you'll see that we most likely agree on much, though not all.

[JenniferR]

Not that it matters, but if I am reading your posts with bias, I wonder why. You, the environmentalist, can overlook what the Lieberals are doing because they never pretended to be interested in environmental issues. The NDP, who did try, you tear apart. The end result with the Lieberals, no matter what their platform, is that they are doing a great deal of harm and damage. There is no excuse.

Just another example, the NDP had a moratorium on the grizzly hunt. Campbell took it off for dollars and to please his rich American friends. Where were the Greens, I heard no huge protest or outcry? We are now known as the bear killing capital. How encouraging for the environmentally aware tourists from Europe, who come here for wildlife photographing.

[RickW]

Originally posted by JenniferR
Not that it matters, but if I am reading your posts with bias, I wonder why. You, the environmentalist, can overlook what the Lieberals are doing because they never pretended to be interested in environmental issues. The NDP, who did try, you tear apart. The end result with the Lieberals, no matter what their platform, is that they are doing a great deal of harm and damage. There is no excuse.

Just another example, the NDP had a moratorium on the grizzly hunt. Campbell took it off for dollars and to please his rich American friends. Where were the Greens, I heard no huge protest or outcry? We are now known as the bear killing capital. How encouraging for the environmentally aware tourists from Europe, who come here for wildlife photographing.

Trip isn't OKing the Libs, Jennifer. They have to be taken out ASAP. But the NDP TALKS a good talk when it comes to the environment, and practical solutions, but they don't have an integrated plan in any practical sense. Haveing a moratorium on the grizzley hunt is fine, except that they did this more to satisfy the voters in Vancouver (who, by the way live in a ttally decimated environment, but have a very large say in what goes on in the rest of the province. Not very fair, is it, when city folk can tell country folk what they can and can't do?)

[Trip]

Originally posted by JenniferR

Just another example, the NDP had a moratorium on the grizzly hunt. Campbell took it off for dollars and to please his rich American friends. Where were the Greens, I heard no huge protest or outcry? We are now known as the bear killing capital. How encouraging for the environmentally aware tourists from Europe, who come here for wildlife photographing.

You're right, nothing much was said, but I think you can blame some of that on what the media decides to publicize. If they don't think it important, then there isn't too much that can be done. It's not like it's possible to go door to door throughout the province just to let individuals know what's going on. But, you do what you can, and we do need to do more then we have in the past,

Re: Liberals. The Liberals policies are completely ignorant. I have written letters galore regarding the fish farms, and gotten no response. I don't like what the Liberals are doing to the environment, but at least they don't say they'll protect, and then don't. The difference is in what we are led to expect, and what actually occurs. The NDP made big E promises, but didn't follow through, or did so half-heartedly. The Libs, well, with them, we knew where we stood, and how hard we had to work.

I do what I can as I can, I wish I could do more. sigh...

[RickW]

Originally posted by Trip
I do what I can as I can, I wish I could do more. sigh...

Don't forget Trip, that most "environmental" activity is directed from Vancouver/Victoria, where their "fine" citizens live in an environmental wasteland, and don't even give it a thought.

[OPINIONATED]

Trips quote -

"I don't like what the Liberals are doing to the environment, but at least they don't say they'll protect, and then don't. The difference is in what we are led to expect, and what actually occurs. The NDP made big E promises, but didn't follow through, or did so half-heartedly. The Libs, well, with them, we knew where we stood, and how hard we had to work.

I do what I can as I can, I wish I could do more. sigh..."
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You have a dual membership in the Greens/Liberals Trip ?

"With the Libs we knew where we stood"

Did you ?

As Michael Smyth of the Province stated - "The Liberals are loving the Greens".

Clear enough to me.

[RickW]

Originally posted by OPINIONATED
Trips quote -

The NDP made big E promises, but didn't follow through, or did so half-heartedly.

How come you don't answer these, Opie? And just what are YOUR "solutions". NDP screwed up bigtime last time. And there is nothng to say they won't this time around. So why vote NDP?

[JenniferR]

I don't know where the NDP screwed up seriously. I think they did more than any other government.

I have read the web site on the Green Party. I would like nothing more than if all their dreams and goals become a reality. BUT -- right now with the mess our Province is in, with what the Lieberals have thrown to the wind that NAFTA will not let us get back, we need a party that will try to straighten the mess out, and I honestly and unfortunately do not think the Greens are it right now.

It would be great to have the NDP form the government with the Greens in Opposition. But that is just a pipe dream I am afraid.

[RickW]

Originally posted by JenniferR
It would be great to have the NDP form the government with the Greens in Opposition. But that is just a pipe dream I am afraid.

Or perhaps the NDP in a minority government, with the Greens as the balance of power. These two have more in common environmentally than do the Libs, which believes that the only good tree is a dead tree.

[JenniferR]

AHA ------ YOU ADMIT IT. THE NDP ARE ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY CONCERNED!!!!!!!! Was that so hard?

[RickW]

Originally posted by JenniferR
AHA ------ YOU ADMIT IT. THE NDP ARE ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY CONCERNED!!!!!!!! Was that so hard?

And here I thought I always have been........LOL!