Let the Whines begin ...

[utsamad]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bum

Ut's you fool ... Guess you never read their last quarter earnings ....


ok .. let me clue you in .... just last week ... we lost 14 pipefitters and 5
2cnd class Steam engineers to Alberta's Oil patch ,,You know how hard it is to get a 2cnd Class Steam Engineer ,,, never mind a skilled Pipefitter.. that's 1 week and 1 company... And I hear the story are same with other companies ... UT's you fool ...And believe me ....Unions are like a tea Parties ....one know whats going on inside the other,,,

Because your you urban yuppie... you just don't have a clue how all this works .. cuz you whine about how much EVERYONE ELSE MAKES , ... so let me explain this ... we don't need to loose anymore of our skilled Trades people to another Province ...we are screaming for them now !!!!

Thats WHY you are a Bus driver ,,, Ut's .... get a grip ...

And HELLOOOOO... who the hell wants to work in Vancouver in the 201 project.. for crap wages and live in that mess... when you can make heavy dollars elsewhere ...

You need to make alot more than what a bus driver gets to afford a ticket at the 2010 Olympic Games ... so if you get at now .. you just may make it ....I hear Vancouver is looking for Carpenters... Good luck ... your gonna need it

Irrelevant Bummer What does this have to do with the Topic??

[OPINIONATED]

Looks like Bum explained it to you in a nutshell Utts.

Dont tell me you still dont get it ?

[utsamad]

Originally Posted by OPINIONATED

You still into calling names on here - why dont you answer the question Utts ?

Show us you got all grown up.

I answered the question.............If you cant figure it out I cant help you

I also note that nobody has contributed anything resembling Intelligence to counter what Im saying.

[utsamad]

Utts anyone in Whistler or anywhere else making the 'money' you say dont hoard it - on what do you base this ?
How do you know its not all invest offshore in the Cayman Islands

OK LETS Try this again

Utts anyone in Whistler or anywhere else making the 'money' you say dont hoard it - on what do you base this ?

Before I can answer that Question I need to know just exactly what you mean by Hoarding..................Do You mean ........Put it in the Bank?.......Under the Pillow?..........Buy Expensive Toys??..............Invest it in the Stock Market???

How do you know its not all invest offshore in the Cayman Islands

Quite Frankly I dont know that...............and it Doesnt matter because investing or spending money outside the Country is not confined to Whatever Profits are Taken from the Olympics.

Where are you gonna draw the Line on Snowbirds who spend most of their retirement in the Southern US.THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

So if you wanna discuss the Olympics and economic matters relating to that then confine the discussion to EXACTLY HOW THE PROCEEDS OF THE OLYMPICS or at least a good portion thereof are likely or not likely going to make their way through all areas of the province.

If you bring up the subject of Investment abroad..........which happens no matter what and where the Economic Activity ............then this discussion is over.

[Realitycheck]

The government is admitting there will be no advantage to the rest of the province from the Olympics.

They announced today (search CKNW News), they will distribute the munificient amount of 2 million dollars, to small communities to compensate for being 'overlooked' byt he olympics.

2 Million...to be shared by 8 or 10 communities...doesn't amount to a hill 'o beans.

But it is nice of them to again prove me and others right about the benefits of the Oly...towhit, none.

[utsamad]

They announced today (search CKNW News), they will distribute the munificient amount of 2 million dollars, to small communities to compensate for being 'overlooked' byt he olympics.

Anything to keep the Ignorant Masses Quiet.

The fact remains that wealth created via the Olympics will make its way throughout the Entire Province.

I dont think the GoVERNMENT is stupid enough not to understand this basic Fact.......................They are just telling the Ignorant what they wanna Hear.

It obviously worked on you RC

[OPINIONATED]

Another mouthful from you Utts - you must be feeling ver informed, when you make it apparent youre not.

"Ignorant masses quiet" ? What history book are you reading ?

Prove your point or get off it.

Originally Posted by utsamad

Anything to keep the Ignorant Masses Quiet.

The fact remains that wealth created via the Olympics will make its way throughout the Entire Province.

I dont think the GoVERNMENT is stupid enough not to understand this basic Fact.......................They are just telling the Ignorant what they wanna Hear.

It obviously worked on you RC

[OPINIONATED]

Guess youve retracted this one also Utts

Originally Posted by utsamad

And Life Goes on in Montreal as always before....................People eat work sleep and play as they always have..............eat drink and be merry.

Money spent on the Olympics is just simply circulation of money through Economic Activity....................AND LIFE GOES ON.

You havent got the Slightest Clue what you are Talking about.

[Realitycheck]

Uts, you sound more like old Misery every day.

[utsamad]

Originally Posted by OPINIONATED

Another mouthful from you Utts - you must be feeling ver informed, when you make it apparent youre not.

"Ignorant masses quiet" ? What history book are you reading ?

Prove your point or get off it.

Tell me Something................Does the money from the Calgary Stampede remain in Calgary or does it have Spinoffs throughout Alberta??

Instead of carrying on with your Yap telling me to Prove it................Why dont you present me with some Logic that shows otherwise??

I ASKED YOU TO CLARIFY YOURSELF in an earlier post.Obviously you have nothing to back yourself up.

[utsamad]

Originally Posted by OPINIONATED

Guess youve retracted this one also Utts

How So?????

[utsamad]

http://books.google.com/books?id=qKj...gle%2 BSearch

#2 should be of Special Significance to You Opie

#10 Generalizes on what I am trying to say

[XtremeJavaBean]

Originally Posted by Realitycheck

Beans, however, a look at the 30 year trend in Victoria at least, shows a steady increase in house prices.

That is SOME bubble.

At least one project has been cancelled and downsized here and the labouyr shortage has been blamed for it. Another is threatened. However the developer also has a historu of doing this sort of thing, wo se don't know for certain.

Chins is also a factor, they have a huge demand for structural steel for instance and this is definitely driving up the cost of that material. Trip is in the business, he could likely fill us in on what other materials are also affected.

I know about the building cancellation, I even have a quote regarding it in my post #31. I realize that housing prices in a place like Victoria (or Vancouver) have generally always increased -- there is only so much land and God isn't making any more -- but I'm talking about the rate of increase, and in places outside of the bigger, hotter markets.

Maybe I'm wrong, but like I said, I am skeptical that anything lasts forever. I don't see the increase continuing at the same rate.

[Realitycheck]

Of the lower mainland and the Island, you are likely right.

[Mr. Bum]

Originally Posted by Realitycheck

The government is admitting there will be no advantage to the rest of the province from the Olympics.

They announced today (search CKNW News), they will distribute the munificient amount of 2 million dollars, to small communities to compensate for being 'overlooked' byt he olympics.

2 Million...to be shared by 8 or 10 communities...doesn't amount to a hill 'o beans.

But it is nice of them to again prove me and others right about the benefits of the Oly...towhit, none.

Thankyou RC .....

[utsamad]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bum

Thankyou RC .....

Just to Tell the Ignorant what they wanna hear.................And it sure works.

[Mr. Bum]

Originally Posted by utsamad

Just to Tell the Ignorant what they wanna hear.................And it sure works.

Ut's .... watch the 6 o'clock news today ,,, the 5 o'clock news said that most people in the world think Vancouver has beavers and snowmoblies .. like .. duhhhh ,,, And the logo is of our Northern Peoples ,,not Vancouver ,,,

I think you urban yuppies better get this one right ,,,Cuzzz right now .. your not going such a hot job of telling the world what Vancouver is all about ,,,there's no beavers and snowmoblies in Vancouver ,,,, oh in Stanley Park and store windows maybe ,,, baaaawwhhaaaaaaa

[OPINIONATED]

I dont believe it - did he actually ?

Originally Posted by Mr. Bum

Thankyou RC .....

[Mr. Bum]

Originally Posted by OPINIONATED

I dont believe it - did he actually ?

Campbell in Torino talks 2010 with Roker on NBC's Today Show
Feb, 24 2006 - 1:30 PM

http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local....news_local.cfm


VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980) - Premier Gordon Campbell put B.C. in the international spotlight this morning when he appeared on NBC's today show with weatherman Al Roker.
Roker asked Campbell what the Olympics will mean to Vancouver and B.C. “Your honour, it really is something special obviously for Vancouver and British Columbia to be hosting the next winter Olympics, what does it mean for your region,” asked Roker?

“Oh, it's great for our region,” Campbell replied. “Number one you're going to be exposed to literally billions of people around the world -inviting them here. Here in B.C. Canada Place, we've been trying to tell people this is what you can expect when you get to Vancouver."

Campbell also said the B.C.-Canada Place log house at the Olympics in Italy has been a more popular venue than Torino's opening ceremonies.





http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local....news_local.cfm

http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local....news_local.cfm

http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local....news_local.cfm

[Mr. Bum]

Originally Posted by OPINIONATED

I dont believe it - did he actually ?

Even though we are stuck with the 2010 Winter Games ... Here's some good reads .....What bothers me is ,, in one artical it states .." big investment that hasn’t paid off for advertisers " ,,,, if big investments aren't investing that means the Taxpayer is left footing the bill ....



http://www.gamesbids.com/cgi-bin/new...&id=1140803709

Friday, February 24, 2006
Selling The Vancouver 2010 Games Could Be Difficult
Posted 12:55 pm ET (GamesBids.com)

With the Turin 2006 Games nearing its end all eyes are now focusing on the next Winter Games in Vancouver in 2010.

Reports that viewing of the Turin Games has dropped by more than 30 per cent in prime time from the 2002 Salt Lake Games may make it difficult for Vancouver.

The Financial Post reports that according to industry watchers CTV Inc. and Rogers Communications Inc., the media partners that paid $153 million (U.S.) for the 2010 Games, could be facing an uphill battle to sell the Games to advertisers.

The newspaper quotes Sunni Boot, president of the media planning agency ZenithOptimedia saying, “I think it will be difficult for CTV and Rogers to sell 2010” when Vancouver hosts the Winter Games. It’s a big investment that hasn’t paid off for advertisers.

Sources say the drop in ratings for the Turin Games would not have been anticipated a couple of years ago by executives who bid for the 2010 and 2012 Games.

One of the reasons for lower ratings appears to be the staggering of the Winter and Summer Games, says the Financial Post, resulting in an Olympics every two years rather than every four. Some observers say this makes the Games less special and harder to sell. Others complain that events are stretched out over too long a period, making the Games less immediate and engaging.

Executives at CBC reportedly say some Olympic viewing has gone to the Internet since scores and medal standings can be checked in real time.


http://www.gamesbids.com/cgi-bin/new...&id=1138995728

Friday, February 03, 2006
Vancouver 2010 Games’ Costs Escalate
Posted 2:42 pm ET (GamesBids.com)

The Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Winter Olympic Games and Paralympic Games (VANOC) released Friday a new capital budget for the construction of venues and other infrastructure needed to host the 2010 Games. According to the budget the cost of building venues for the Games has risen by 23 per cent, boosting the construction costs of the 2010 Games to $580 million.

In bid documents submitted to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) the organizing committee had estimated the cost of building venues for the Games at $470 million.

Furlong said, “understanding the heated construction environment we are operating in, our team spent the past two years rigorously examining every potential savings and efficiency. We’ve identified $85 million in venue cost efficiencies so far”.

Furlong said the new construction price tag is the final figure and has formally requested an extra $55 million each from the federal and provincial governments.

“We will stop at nothing to responsibly manage the risk of cost increases through rigorous venue planning and design, negations and cost controls”, said Furlong.

In a press release Vancouver 2010 said the initial capital estimate was prepared according to IOC requirements and bid rules in 2002 dollars with no adjustment for inflation and/or potential rising construction costs. The bid corporation reportedly acknowledged at the time of submission that its bid capital estimate would require adjustments for these unpredictable factors in the future.

According to the news release discussions with the provincial government regarding the funding request are ongoing and will begin in earnest with the new incoming federal government as soon as possible.

“We’re dealing with a highly-charged business and construction environment in BC (British Columbia) that shows no sign of slowing down. Certain of our major venues are large, unique and complex structures with exacting safety and sport requirements that leave little room for adjustment. Some require not only extensive steel and concrete but also highly specialized and experienced contractors”, said Furlong, adding that the average increase costs in B.C. was nine per cent in 2004.