Let the Whines begin ...

[Trip]

Originally Posted by utsamad

Huh ..............What are you talking about????

Bum is correct that not even close to 80% voted for the Olympics, it was only a small portion of Vancouver voters...those who cared enough either way to get out and vote, who elected to have the Olympics. The rest of the province was not given an option, but the rest of the province will be paying for it.

Will it be a good thing? I doubt it, but we won't know for sure until the morning after, so, IMO, at this point, we might as well make the best of a potentially bad thing and not try to sabotage it from the get-go.

[utsamad]

Bum is correct that not even close to 80% voted for the Olympics,

That may be...............I havent argued that.

He should learn to word things correctly.That is not how it came across in the Post I was responding too.

[Mr. Bum]

Originally Posted by Trip

Bum is correct that not even close to 80% voted for the Olympics, it was only a small portion of Vancouver voters...those who cared enough either way to get out and vote, who elected to have the Olympics. The rest of the province was not given an option, but the rest of the province will be paying for it.

Will it be a good thing? I doubt it, but we won't know for sure until the morning after, so, IMO, at this point, we might as well make the best of a potentially bad thing and not try to sabotage it from the get-go.

If my memory is correct ,,, the Vancouver Olympics passed by a 66% ...
80% may have voted ,,,,

OK ... I personaly think .. theres no dought that IF the rest of the Province was given an option to vote on the hosting to the Games ... it would of been voted down ... So ... VANOC and the Lieberals didn't want to sabotage the whole project .. they left the Province out ..

[OPINIONATED]

Right - did you see the STAR Emerson sat there on BCTV News tonight with Gordo and Hireaname the Mayor with Furlong - all sat there freezing - with BY INVITATION ONLY notices posted & Security - to make sure no one attended this public event groundbreaking - that we're paying for. ? ?

There were protestors for Emerson there.

Originally Posted by Mr. Bum

If my memory is correct ,,, the Vancouver Olympics passed by a 66% ...
80% may have voted ,,,,

OK ... I personaly think .. theres no dought that IF the rest of the Province was given an option to vote on the hosting to the Games ... it would of been voted down ... So ... VANOC and the Lieberals didn't want to sabotage the whole project .. they left the Province out ..

[Mr. Bum]

Originally Posted by OPINIONATED

Right - did you see the STAR Emerson sat there on BCTV News tonight with Gordo and Hireaname the Mayor with Furlong - all sat there freezing - with BY INVITATION ONLY notices posted & Security - to make sure no one attended this public event groundbreaking - that we're paying for. ? ?

There were protestors for Emerson there.

Come on Opie ,,, you expect anything less ....

I saw the same News Casts ... it was all staged ...to look good ...

You really expect the three stooges to face the Public & Media at the same time ...it not gonna happen .. that's why it was invitation only ,,,

[RickW]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bum

Come on Opie ,,, you expect anything less ....

I saw the same News Casts ... it was all staged ...to look good ...

You really expect the three stooges to face the Public & Media at the same time ...it not gonna happen .. that's why it was invitation only ,,,

So then, the pressing question must surely be: DID it look good?

[Realitycheck]

is just further proof of how desperate Harper is getting over the Emmerson affair.

I'll bet this is the first time in modern Olympic History a sod turning was held in private and behind walls of high security.

Talk about over-reaction! Does Harper think someone was gonig to assassinate Emmerson? ROTFetc.

It looked GEAT because it once more revealed Harper for the phoney he is. Emmerson now enjoys about the same degreee of respect as does Shapiro.

[RickW]

At the risk of invoking your invective, I will risk agreeing with you........

[L Gilbert]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bum

VANOC and the Lieberals didn't want to sabotage the whole project .. they left the Province out ..

There might be something someone can do after their bid for hosting has been accepted by the IOC, I don't know, but I have a suspicion the bid acceptance is like a contract.
But if people want to attach blame for Vancouver hosting it then find the proper bunch to blame: the bid was accepted by the IOC before Campbull became premier.

[OPINIONATED]

Where do you get that one from ?

Originally Posted by L Gilbert

There might be something someone can do after their bid for hosting has been accepted by the IOC, I don't know, but I have a suspicion the bid acceptance is like a contract.
But if people want to attach blame for Vancouver hosting it then find the proper bunch to blame: the bid was accepted by the IOC before Campbull became premier.

[RickW]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Winter_Olympic_bids
Three cities made the final list to host the 2010 Winter Olympics which were awarded to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada on July 2, 2003. The other cities were Pyeongchang, South Korea and Salzburg, Austria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Winter_Olympics
Out of the race - The following cities have withdrawn their 2014 Winter Olympic bids or have decided not to bid:
Andorra la Vella, Andorra - No backing by the Andorran Olympic Committee for 2014 bid, but now considering bidding for 2022.
Annecy, France - No backing by the French Olympic Committee after Paris lost its 2012 bid, but now considering bidding for 2018.
Erzurum, Turkey - The National Olympic Committee of Turkey cites a lack of infrastructure
Harbin, People's Republic of China - Investment has been poured into the 2009 Winter Universiade
Munich, Germany - National Olympic Committee for Germany cites lack of detail and planning
Östersund, Sweden - Lack of Swedish political support
Reno and Lake Tahoe, United States of America - No backing by the United States Olympic Committee
Shimla, India - Lack of Indian Government support
Tromsø, Norway - The Norwegian government has not guaranteed money to the bid
Zürich, Switzerland - Withdrew their bid on September 14th, 2004

Vancouver could have witrhdrawn anytime at least up to 02 July '03. Far as I know, no city who has been awarded the Games has ever cancelled. But we are talking change of location here, more so than cancellation. Any number of ski resorts in the interior would benefit much more so than would Whistler, which all ready has an international reputation among the "rich and famous"...........

[L Gilbert]

Originally Posted by OPINIONATED

Where do you get that one from ?

From the IOC site ( http://www.olympic.org/uk/index_uk.asp ) about when they accepted the bids (3 of them) and and wikipedia about when Campbull was elected.
The NDP had put in the Vancouver bid about 5 years before the three bids were accepted which would make the bid accepted somewhere arounf 98 or 99 which is a couple years before Campbull was elected in 2001.

[Realitycheck]

There is an unspoken rule here; it is not considered fair to confront the lefties with facts, it makes them irritiable and this leads to verbal diahorrea.

Come to think of it, just waking up in the morning does that for them, so...what the hell, go ahead. ROTFetc

[Periac]

Originally Posted by L Gilbert

From the IOC site ( http://www.olympic.org/uk/index_uk.asp ) about when they accepted the bids (3 of them) and and wikipedia about when Campbull was elected.
The NDP had put in the Vancouver bid about 5 years before the three bids were accepted which would make the bid accepted somewhere arounf 98 or 99 which is a couple years before Campbull was elected in 2001.

You're quite correct, the NDP did start the process but the Libs could have scuttled it any time prior to the annoucement in 2003. For example, Bern withdrew on Sept 27, 2002.Link - 2010 bids.

The NDP started this debacle but the Libs could have stopped it.

So I ask you, who has the greater blame as it syphons more and more money out of our tax dollars?

But hey, Salt Lake supposedly broke even on their Olys.

Of course (as with Vancouver) they didn't count the infrastucture improvements (SLC - roughly $1.1 billion, Vancouver - $2.5 billion and counting) since "From the government's perspective, those are projects that would have been approved anyway, based on the current transportation requirements out here") nor the $244 million they sponged of the Federal Government to cover increased security.

Also not included in this costs is the taxpayers' debt that goes with the $3 billion+ we are spending on this.

Since I know all of you will ask, heres the link

[RickW]

Originally Posted by Realitycheck

There is an unspoken rule here; it is not considered fair to confront the lefties with facts, it makes them irritiable and this leads to verbal diahorrea.

Come to think of it, just waking up in the morning does that for them, so...what the hell, go ahead. ROTFetc

http://www.bctalk.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=91
Obviously those rose-colored glasses are growing even moe opaque for you.....

[Realitycheck]

I told you so and RW is one with the most aversion to reality.

[RickW]

.....I can take it that no applicants have ever dropped out?

[L Gilbert]

Originally Posted by Periac

You're quite correct, the NDP did start the process but the Libs could have scuttled it any time prior to the annoucement in 2003. For example, Bern withdrew on Sept 27, 2002.Link - 2010 bids.The NDP started this debacle but the Libs could have stopped it..........

Ah. Perhaps I misread the acceptance procedure the IOC uses. I was under the impression that once they accept bids, no-one ever backs out unless it was a dire emergency. I couldn't find out how binding the thing is.
Either way, I think the best we can do is expect the worst and hope for the best.

[OPINIONATED]

Yes - you did.

The only thing I hope for - is that the billions in over-runs will be lesser rather than more.

Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Ah. Perhaps I misread the acceptance procedure the IOC uses. I was under the impression that once they accept bids, no-one ever backs out unless it was a dire emergency. I couldn't find out how binding the thing is.
Either way, I think the best we can do is expect the worst and hope for the best.

[L Gilbert]

I keep hoping that same thing (it's futile, I know) every time the NDP get in. But the worst is usually what I expect and am justified in expecting it. The Liberals are better, but only marginally. Perhaps we can get a decent change if we can get STVs.