Here's a smart idea!

[wiley]

Sorry, Gerrie, but there's no way you can stick them in the same boat.

Gordon is a complete and total imbecile, lacking both a conscience and business savvy.

As cold blooded and reptilian as Jimmy is, he is an astute business person. I don't believe for one damn minute Jimmy would have taken the course the BC Liberals have, and if you check closely (I know, this IS hard to believe) you'll find that Jimmy didn't give one red cent to the BC Liberals, personally or through any of his companies. I have a firend that also is a very close friend of Jimmy's. He told he me that Pattison hates Campbell with a bloody passion. Where that hatred comes from, I would assume, was from when Campbell was Vancouver's mayor.

Please don't use their names in the same breath. I don't personally care for either of them, but Pattison is in a completely different league than the repulsive little plaid wrapped "I'm ok to drive" incompetent yuppie bastard at the helm of BC.

[Gerrie]

Just thought that maybe..Jimmy would have some of the same patterns...cold blooded decisions re people's lives. I'll take your word on that Wiley.

[OPINIONATED]

Read the book "Jimmie".

Pattison does have many 'like' tendencies as Campbell - it's a surprise to me that wiley states he's UNION with his Business dealings. Can you steer me to that wiley, you know - those questions again - who/when/where ?

The last I heard of Pattison he was jacking Fishermen around in Prince Rupert - cutting prices on fish - that were lower in price than year before - for his Canadian Fishing Co., plant there.

Plus - at start of Olympics - Pattison had stated to Vaughn Palmer, Vancouver Sun - "He didn't like the numbers - but the Premier has stated we're going for them, so we will".

Read the book - I did, and drew a few conclusions from it - it's a Biography on Pattison.

Poor wife.

No holidays for her in 14 years.

[wiley]

Pattison owns and operates Seaboard Advertising, which for those that don't know, control all the advertising on BC Transit buses, rapid transit systems such as the Skytrain in Vancouver, and all the bus seat and shelters (as well as those in Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, etc. etc. etc.) and has billboards all over North America. It is a union company, and if you doubt me, call Seaboard's executive, a name we're all too familiar with - Glen Clark. Yep, the one and the same.

Another of his companies, Penthouse Magazine in the States - union. His print shops - union. Shall I go on?

Jimmy is cold blooded, but only in a profitable sense. That's the biggest difference between him and Campbell. Campbell is not only stupid, he's cruel and inhumane. Jimmy may make business decisions that seem cruel, but they pan out for the best, for all parties for the most part. Not so with Gordo.

Here's a little true story you might find "enlightening".

Jimmy is a member of a pentecostal church at the corner of either 26th or 28th and Fraser in Vancouver (been so long I can't remeber for sure). A church I was "thrown out of" one day because of Pattison. I was a single parent on welfare, and had drug my son with me to a service. The service started nicely enough, but then the pastor took a moment to make the following announcement. "Ladies and Gentlemen it is my pleasure to extend an invitation to you all from brother Jim Pattison and his family to join them for a western theme barbeque taking place next Saturday at his home in the British Properties. There'll be steaks, burgers, ribs, corn on the cob, 'tater salad and all the other all the traditional fixin's, so break out those stetsons and bolo ties, slip on those cowboy boots and wrangle your way up there. It starts at 2:00 pm and tickets are $10.00 each." This is where I flew out of my seat, whipped around to face Pattison and yelled, "You dirty rotten money grubbin' son's-to-bitch! How dare you, a billionaire, invite church folks to your house and then have the audacity to charge them for the pleasure? I can't believe your bull****!" It was about this time four ushers negotiated my departure.

I got even with the damn little weasel though. The church had a $3.2 million dollar debt which Pattison had lovingly offered to pay off (as a charitable tax write off of course) at a board meeting I was in attendance of (as a guest of a board member - to the chagrin of Pattison and those burly ushers). I waited as the board clucked their approval, hugged the rodent and praised God for such an overwhelmingly generous offer. The pastor rose to take a vote, and guess who cut in - ya got it - me. I stood up and said, "Before all you good men and women accept Mr. Pattison's offer, perhaps you should know exactly how those funds were generated, and where they're coming from." As the board became blushed with irritation and the ushers moved quickly toward me, I added, "That money is coming from the profits of Mr. Pattison's American magazine, Penthouse, any of you boys and girls familar with it?" The ushers froze in their tracks, the board's jaws bounced off the table and now Jimmy boy's face went beet red. I continued, "Now ain't that so Jim?" Without so much as a word Jimmy got up, spun on his heel and stormed out of the meeting. The church ended up paying off it's own debt, and to this day Jimmy has made no similar advances in the Lord's name. His daughter (the one that was kidnapped) leads their church choir and to the best of my knowledge Jimmy hasn't tried to charge people on welfare to come to his home.

All that said, Jimmy is an excellent business man, who can be cruel when he needs to, not because he's malicious like Campbell, but because to keep profit front and centre that what it takes. Campbell's political "cleansing" is something Jimmy would never do. It wouldn't make economic sense. The cuts Campbell has made have been bad in every way, because they were done with hatred, not sound business sense.

[No Mercy]

By No Mercy: My first reaction to this is that it is a good idea. I see no difference in this really than when they put stuff into an auction.

After having a "conversation" with Wiley, he pointed out a few things to me, which I was overlooking, and explained a few things to me that I was not understanding.

I still think that this is a great idea, however I do not believe any monies or properties should be going to charities. Monies and property should belong to the people of BC, and therfore go into paying off the debt, into schools, healthcare etc..

[jlk]

NM:

Before you come to that conclusion, maybe you should look at what the Vancouver Foundation funds on an annual basis.

Historically these Foundations do a hell of lot better job addressing social needs than any government *ever* did. Not to mention their financial responsibility is at such a high level, the sustainability from year to year to actually fund these projects is impecible.

JK

[No Mercy]

Ok

[No Mercy]

Field of Interest funds may be established with the income to be distributed through one or more of the Foundation’s seven fields of interest. A field of interest fund supports a class of charitable beneficiaries or activities, or a particular geographic area. Instead of naming the specific agencies to receive grants, you would instead indicate the general purpose(s) for which the income is to be used. Gifts of this kind give broad discretion to the Advisory Committees to select the agencies that can most effectively achieve our donors’ charitable intent through the same assessment process used for unrestricted funds. The various fields of interest are :

Animal Welfare
Arts & Culture
BC Medical Services
Children, Youth Family
Education
Environment
Health & Social Development
Youth Philanthropy

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More or less says what I think the monies should go towards.........
Will look at more of the site later........

[No Mercy]

Ok, looked through the website some more.
My opinion is that it looks pretty good. And I understand what it is about a little better. One thing does "ring an alarm" with me though.....
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"Vancouver Foundation has more than 90 people, all volunteers, ensuring that it is responsive to the needs of its donors, charitable organizations and community."

"With a staff of 17 people and the support of our board and volunteer advisors, Vancouver Foundation has been able to competently and efficiently serve the trust of its donors and needs of the community. The Foundation’s annual administrative cost of approximately $1.8 million is met through revenue generated by fund management fees and the interest earned on its income."
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$1.8 million ????? for 17 people (and of course the normal costs of running a business) ........That sounds like an awfull lot of money. Makes me wonder what these people get paid.

[jlk]

NM:

Do remember that the $1.8M includes all overhead for offices for the 17 staff - and related expenses - (lights, stationary, etc.), along with the travel required to go to the boondocks of BC to verify their request for a donation. Naturally the 90 volunteers should be reimbursed for their expenses

I understand (can't prove it) that the average salary for the 17 staff is ~$40M.

$640 million in assets and $27 million a year in donations - not bad, eh?

JK

[OPINIONATED]

Wiley says - "in two words" - slightly longer there wiley.

So now I know he has some Union operated Businesses according to what you posted.

You also stated -

"Jimmy is cold blooded, but only in a profitable sense. That's the biggest difference between him and Campbell. Campbell is not only stupid, he's cruel and inhumane. Jimmy may make business decisions that seem cruel, but they pan out for the best, for all parties for the most part. Not so with Gordo."

This is where we'd disagree - as while it maybe "good business sense" [where profits are concerned] - you think Pattison's decisions "seem cruel, but they pan out for the best, for all parties for the most part".

One of his MOST RUTHLESS & "cruel" acts - were with the Car Dealerships - where the LOWEST SALESPERSON for each month - got FIRED.

Yes I know the answer will probably be - "well, they weren't cut out for selling vehicles then" - WEEEEELLL wiley -

I happen to think when someone has done their best for a month and we ALL KNOW someone has to be the lowest on the Sales list - that is in your word CRUEL. Regardless what they did - they were FIRED by Pattison.

BS to that - if that's what you think "pans out for the best" - from a business stand-point yes - but add the word CRUEL.

[No Mercy]

$640 million in assets and $27 million a year in donations

Yes that is not too shabby at all.....
I am still reading up on it.

The list of what/whom they donate to that I provided is very general.........I would still like to see, (and am looking) for a more specific list of who/what they donate to.

As in "health"...
What exactly do they donate to? Research? Buying much needed equipment for hospitals? A fund for low income families that require expensive drugs or treatment?
OR
Do the monies go to pay for people to go and "talk" about preventing "this and that" at seminars....... or how to cope with "this and that"......?

[No Mercy]

Wiley says - "in two words" - slightly longer there wiley.

HAHA HA!!!!...."in two words" in one of Wiley's posts?????!!!!! Too funny....
Now you know what I go through every day!!

Right Wiley??? (my suck up icon for saying what i did)

[Gerrie]

"the devil take the hindmost"????

Wouldn't like to be working for him..you would never know..if you would manage to keep that employment or not. Woe to you if sales are bad that month..yeesh.

[Grampas]

The Vancouver Foundation does not support all types of charities. We have applied to them in the past and we have received a very nice letter saying that they do not support volunteer fire rescue societies. If this is to happen then ALL charities should have access to apply not just a few

Now if this is going to happen the rules must be setup so that anyone who is looking for something that belongs to them must first be able to gain access to their property. The only way to make sure that people do not loose what is rightfully theirs would be to hold the assets for at least 100 years. Not going to happen…

[No Mercy]

The Vancouver Foundation does not support all types of charities

Also......Is a hospital considered a charity if they need funding for "outdated equipment" or something like an "MRI machine"?

Thats is why I would like to see exactly who they donate to and what they donate for......before I make up my mind on if I think this is a good idea or not.

Volunteer fire rescue societies should be something on their list IMO.

[OPINIONATED]

My motto - follow the money.

[Grampas]

Originally posted by No Mercy
Volunteer fire rescue societies should be something on their list IMO.

Send them a letter telling them that
... PLEASE ... Thanks ...

[No Mercy]

Grampas,
I will get Wiley to draft me up a letter as he is much better with words than I am...!!